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myrealnameismatt · Jan 11, 2008, 07:35 PM // 19:35

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

Some of the various Pre-searing map exploits were done by using existing in game mechanics of map travel. This exploit also is about map travel.

I think Anet needs to sit down and double-check all their map travel code.

Anet might have believed that a third party program was used to discover the outpost (since this is outside what they can monitor), rather than being accidental.

That to me seems like a reasonable explanation - i'm sure a lot of the people who were banned had no clue that a hack was used (assuming it was a hack), it really did look like something left behind by the developers by accident that might have been found by accident. And I think maybe A-net might want to employ some different bug testers generally, perhaps the people who found this glitch should be given a job rather than a ban lol. I hope that guild wars 2 isn't so full of holes as GW 1 - please let me know if it is or not because I, and probably quite a few other people, are not going to be buying it.

TheRaven · Jan 11, 2008, 07:37 PM // 19:37

Was it a 3rd party hack or was it a map travel exploit? That seems to be the main argument at this point. Here's my theory:

They are both true.

This is plausible and probably pretty close to the truth. A hacker uses a 3rd party program to hack the gw.dat client and discover all these hidden outposts. Perhaps there are 20 such outposts in the game and the hacker sees that their is a lot of money to be made if he can access this particular one in the DOA. His hack can't map his characters into the outpost however, it can only show him where they are.

Next he uses the hack to discover that this outpost is indeed used during the mallyx quest although it's use is invisible to players. Using this information he discovers how to map there during the mallyx quest using the method Truzo described and uses the GH trick to map others there.

Most likely there is truth to both sides. Only a mapping exploit and a full blown hack.

Azarr#1 · Jan 11, 2008, 07:40 PM // 19:40

Again if a game has an exploit in it and its their fault they simply go back and delete everything they made from it and let them keep playing on their way. It should do just as other games have done when a person goes to jail for taking a joy ride in someone elses car and causes no damages to the car they still get a second chance and eventually they let them out of jail to prove that their not really a bad person just their human quality of wanting something a little more in life took over. now these people did it in a game why cant anet simply take what they gained have gail gray get on to each individual account that people care about and take all their money even if it wasnt made from the exploit because apparently they can count how many times a person did it so they can count up how much money they would have made off of it and simply take it away.

IlikeGW · Jan 11, 2008, 07:42 PM // 19:42

Hmm very interesting it could have just been a variation of the serious guild hall mapping problems yet they called it a client hack. I don't get why.

Either way there's no excuse for farming millions of gold through it. There's no way you can say that you didn't know the severity of ease of profiting from the exploit was exactly the kind of thing to get you banned. If you only did it a couple times, argue with support for riding your ass without fairness, but if you did it 10 times to a 1000 times who are you kidding.

If anything I'm worried they didn't ban enough people and there's thousands of more armbrace that shouldn't exist.

I D E L E T E D I · Jan 11, 2008, 07:43 PM // 19:43

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Originally Posted by TheRaven

Was it a 3rd party hack or was it a map travel exploit? That seems to be the main argument at this point.

Yeah thats the question. And seeing as Gaile Gray has already branded it as being a Hack, there is no way that this statement of her will be taken back or changed. Because lets face it, how would that look for Anet and how would that make Gaile look like??

myrealnameismatt · Jan 11, 2008, 07:45 PM // 19:45

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

Why, because members of their "top" alliance got banned? I'm guessing you're saying top, as in - FFF capital holders. What a lolfest.

FFF alliances = BIG alliances with lots of people who play GW a LOT, highly organised communities with 1000's of people who come together to play guildwars and do titles. It's not just a handful of people who have been affected by this it is literally a massive community of 1000's.

I D E L E T E D I · Jan 11, 2008, 07:49 PM // 19:49

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Originally Posted by VitisVinifera

wow.........Gaile has an impressive list of recent lies.

wonder how she's gonna spin this one.......

i can answer that :P
Like always she is going to avoid this forum for a month or so and then come back on here when she has some really big news^^

IslandHermet · Jan 11, 2008, 07:49 PM // 19:49

Anyone who says they have played the game for 2+ years and fell for this should stay banned for being SMRT. Anyone with a brain would know that this is not right as soon as a Guest invite pops up from the party leader in the DOA. You do not ever need a guest invite to do anything PvE wise except for AB when you want to go lux and kurz side, thus if you get one you should know this is not normal and leave the party. It is your fault for falling for this and you should stay banned.

Zinger314 · Jan 11, 2008, 07:50 PM // 19:50

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Originally Posted by VitisVinifera

wow.........Gaile has an impressive list of recent lies.

wonder how she's gonna spin this one.......

Look for an 18-minute gap in the ArenaNet data logs.

Gaile could very well be lying, as obviously she can't provide any proof.

rath no more · Jan 11, 2008, 07:50 PM // 19:50

Makes you wonder how far it could have gone if not discovered ehh?

doubt it coulda went on forever, this is gw after all lol

SirJackassIII · Jan 11, 2008, 07:50 PM // 19:50

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Originally Posted by I D E L E T E D I

Ok third Option, sit down and think for yourself. If it was a hack its still possible now and people would still be able to profit off it. If it indeed was a hack people will find a different way to hack into it. Since i do believe Anet are clever enough to have tightened the securty in that particular part of the DAT file. But that still doesnt change the fact the exploit is still there.

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Fixed an exploit that could allow players access to certain locked outposts.

That'd mean they can't hack into it anymore -if it was a hack- unless they manage to change things serverside. Which is a whole damn lot more difficult that a -assumed- clientside hack. If it was indeed a GH bug, then the fix should still be enough to keep them out.

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So your saying anyone who used an exploit should get the ban hammer smacked at them? Assume for 2 min that this Hack theory is false. Do you still think they should ahve gotten banned? If the Hack story was false dont you think it brings this exploit down to the level of the slavers bug? Then why did no one who used the slavers bug get banned?

Yes, they should have been banned for this exploit, even if it wasn't a hack. This is nothing like the SE run. The SE run was more of a bug than an exploit, and a lot more common knowledge than the exploit we have right here. It was comparable to doing Final Assault with only 1 person in the party having the quest active. The bug on the other hand was in it from day one, so it could have been intended.
This one on the other hand requires a lot of going around of ways to turn something that wasn't intended like FA into an FA-like situation. Not to mention the profits of this are a lot higher than both FA and SE runs. I mean, SE was "get a group in Umbral that has 1 person that did all 4 areas and do Duncan", after which that 1 person completed the quest and someone else needed to be found that had at least done all 4 areas, making it less repeatable. The DoA run could be done over and over and over again at several times the profit in 1/6-1/3 of the time.

I D E L E T E D I · Jan 11, 2008, 07:52 PM // 19:52

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Originally Posted by IslandHermet

Anyone who says they have played the game for 2+ years and fell for this should stay banned for being SMRT. Anyone with a brain would know that this is not right as soon as a Guest invite pops up from the party leader in the DOA. You do not ever need a guest invite to do anything PvE wise except for AB when you want to go lux and kurz side, thus if you get one you should know this is not normal and leave the party. It is your fault for falling for this and you should stay banned.

lololololololololol is all i can seriously say about that xD
I get loads of guest invites when i acctually DO team up for PvE. So next time i do Urgoz i wont join the team of people i have played with many times jsut cos thanks to you i know they must be using an exploit.

lyra_song · Jan 11, 2008, 07:52 PM // 19:52

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Originally Posted by i am a princess

how in the hell can you think an exploit and a hack are the same thing. no-one broke the 3rd party rule. some idiot found out about this hidden outpost and told someone, who told someone who told someone. nothing wrong in that. just love the fact that Anets taking no responsibility over it.

Doesn't justify exploiting the game.

Lets make things clear:
Ferry to Consulate Dock ----------> EXPLOIT

The question is how severe and how damaging an exploit is.

Drop of Fear · Jan 11, 2008, 07:53 PM // 19:53

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Originally Posted by myrealnameismatt

FFF alliances = BIG alliances with lots of people who play GW a LOT, highly organised communities with 1000's of people who come together to play guildwars and do titles. It's not just a handful of people who have been affected by this it is literally a massive community of 1000's.

i've been in both cavalon and hzh alliance for months farming my kurzick/luxon points a lot.
many guilds / people are actualy friendly and fun to play with, but there are A LOT of dishonest players who farmed MILIONS of faction points using bots, people trying to sell guild leadership in "house zu heltzer alliance" for real $$$, and generaly the worst group of people hunting for exploits i've ever seen in the whole game.

top alliance? 1000 people who play together and do titles? some of them for sure. but if u wanna go hunt the worst game exploiters u will find them in cavalon and hzh alliances

truzo 117 · Jan 11, 2008, 07:53 PM // 19:53

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Originally Posted by Jake_Steel

Give us one good reason why we should believe you?

You dont have to. i cant proove it anymore is im banned and they decided to make the town secure.

if your lucky Anet might decide to tell the players what actualy happend. until then believe what you like lol

rath no more · Jan 11, 2008, 07:53 PM // 19:53

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Originally Posted by IslandHermet

Anyone who says they have played the game for 2+ years and fell for this should stay banned for being SMRT. Anyone with a brain would know that this is not right as soon as a Guest invite pops up from the party leader in the DOA. You do not ever need a guest invite to do anything PvE wise except for AB when you want to go lux and kurz side, thus if you get one you should know this is not normal and leave the party. It is your fault for falling for this and you should stay banned.

ya maybe, but again going with this logic. if this isnt a hack. IF then alotta exploiters shoulda disapeared perm a long time ago (duncan)

myrealnameismatt · Jan 11, 2008, 07:55 PM // 19:55

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Originally Posted by Trub

Makes you wonder how far it could have gone if not discovered ehh?

Well I can only speak for a handful of people but.. when most of us saw the exploit we understood that if this got out to the general guildwars community it would probably end up in a roll-back or something else as hideous and it's not like we don't care about the game we play all day - thats why it wasn't common knowledge, not so much to profit from it, but to not screw up the game. Maybe, considering what has happened, it would have been better to go down to shing jea or wherever and shout it from the hilltops, like the other commonplace glitches that are found on a regular basis (I mean they have to update the game EVERY week for something or other) as it would have resulted in them removing the exploit (just looked on wiki - ooh there it is..) rather than banning people..

IslandHermet · Jan 11, 2008, 07:55 PM // 19:55

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Originally Posted by myrealnameismatt

FFF alliances = BIG alliances with lots of people who play GW a LOT, highly organised communities with 1000's of people who come together to do FFF

They do play alot of GW only because it takes alot of 2 min runs to max the AB titles.

I fixed that since you now FFF is fast faction farming which has a very detailed calculator on wiki on how long it will take in exact mins and points and days to max this title.

And 1 more thing FFF guilds=players acting like bots not players involved in playing the game.

Mickey · Jan 11, 2008, 07:56 PM // 19:56

I used it 7 times, I counted the green weapons I had gotten via a friend's forum, and the people I gave them to. I did it once to complete the quest, then 6 times to farm. I did not know it was an exploit, I will not restate myself, I was a noob.

I D E L E T E D I · Jan 11, 2008, 07:56 PM // 19:56

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Originally Posted by SirJackassIII

That'd mean they can't hack into it anymore -if it was a hack- unless they manage to change things serverside. Which is a whole damn lot more difficult that a -assumed- clientside hack. If it was indeed a GH bug, then the fix should still be enough to keep them out.

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Update - Sunday, December 30, 2007
Bug Fixes
* Fixed an exploit which allowed players to access outposts they had not previously unlocked.

Update - Thursday, December 20, 2007

*Fixed a bug that gave players premature access to an area they hadn't previously visited.

Only because they say they fixed something doesnt means its true, and if i acctually knew something about hacking a Dat file, it wouldnt be that hard to find a way around their little fix, since they have not taken out the outpost.